meitachi | fandom, i think you're confusing yourself

i'm confused for the same reason! to me, ONLY13 is the extremist viewpoint, representing fans who don't support SJM because it has ZM and Henry. i was told by someone ONLY13 that they'd support SJM if it was just original SJ members and no 'extras'. :/

personally, i don't get it. i don't see SM adding on more members to the main unit, i just don't. i don't know why fans are having a shit-storm worrying about it.

and for SJM--for me, it's actually kinda nice that it has more chinese members than JUST Geng. plus, ZM is awesome! ;-; Henry, too!

I thought Only13 was that extremist viewpoint too, but the ones I associate most with that extremist viewpoint (and whom I have plenty of evidence do support that extremist viewpoint) are now going around telling everyone that they're not anti-ZM/Henry or anything. WHAT. THEN WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

And I totally agree in not seeing SM adding any more members to the main unit. Seriously, wtf is this fuss?

Though part of me is just grateful (well, a little sad, I would've loved to watch the blowout) that SM isn't threatening to add members/subgroups to DBSK or smth. Oh those crazy Cassopeians...

& you know I love those Chinese boys :D

THEIR POINT is that they're changeable silly twats who no longer see the new members as being such "threats" because they have proven themselves to, actually, be quite shiny and interesting.

/jaded two cents

I can't speak for other people, but from what I've seen is that for some it's not the people, but the principle. They don't like Henry or Zhoumi, but what they represent. So seeing Henry and Zhoumi made them think of the unpleasant thing they didn't support and so why they don't hate them, they don't like being reminded by them of what they do not like. Or something. It's very confusing.

Or they really don't like them, see nothing worthwhile about them, and superficially their looks aren't up to par (and believe you me they've tried), but they say they like them not to hurt Henry and Zhoumi supporters feelings.

Or a mish-mash of both, but I'm not sure if the above in line with what the Super Junior is One, Only13 message that I can agree with.

As for why people are arguing and super defensive when we could basically agree on all of the points that matter? That's what I really want to know. It can't be all from egocentric, popularity-craved hiveminds, right?

I believe Super Junior is one the way Sungmin believes Super Junior is one, and I think I'll leave it at that. Also I'm pro-SJM, but we all knew that. :D;;

Yeah, I've heard those things said and actually, the idea of people disliking Henry & ZM on principle more than who they are actually pisses me off more. If you're going to dislike someone, do it because of who he or she is - give them that much respect as a person, at least.

So much arguing. I just want the lulz. And the gay. And the happy. Or for that one show with SJM in sumo suits to air. ;_;

I'm with Sungmin. And very pro-SJM, but that should be a little obvious.

Seeing that concept of hating Henry and Zhoumi on principle alone makes me predisposed to being grumpy towards any extreme signs of ONLY13 (like edited photos and videos, their names not to be mentioned in their presence, etc.), and it's difficult to not be snarky at the ONLY13ers that I can agree with, even though back in the day when SJM was just rumored to be SJChina, being Only13 wasn't a perjorative or a call to arms. I'm paranoid about change, the thought of adding and cycling and removing members was a concern for me. Probably in the back of my mind it still is. But I still gave SJM, and the 'extras' a chance; mostly because I loved Henry's contribution to Don't Don and there had to be either something really good about the new guy or something extremely bad. I had to see for myself so I knew how to spout my opinions if someone asked.

So while I may be hesitant to welcome Zhoumi and Henry with open arms in Super Junior even though the fandom wank would be glorious, I can't imagine them being somewhere else besides with SJM right now and I'd be heartbroken if they were gone.

I was actually wary about SJ China before it became SJM too. I didn't know how I felt about splitting up my favorite big happy gay family - but then all the drama over Henry happened, and I got mad because it was stupid, and Henry was talented, so I went over to the pro-Henry side. Then SJM actually happened and I fell in love with everyone's cuteness and the fact that HG was so happy and the fact that I could understand their interviews (and also there was Donghae) so...it's been hard to go back since.

But, yes, I agree: I'm not quite sure I want ZM or Henry in the main group (though, like I keep saying, I don't really think that's going to happen), but I adore them in SJM now. Is that so wrong? Is the universe going to collapse on itself now? :(

I think when the Only13 thing started, it was, in a way, meant to be Only 13 members, no more, no less, and SJM = bad. But it's kind of changed to the point where now Only13 is still A Bad Thing in the minds of a lot of people who don't define themselves as Only13, but for the people who do it's more like "I don't want more people to be added to the main group, but Henry and Zhou Mi are okay in SJM".

OR WAIT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.

OR ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I'm confused.

SEE? CONFUSION ABOUND.

Because if we're talking Only13 as in "yay love for the original 13 and we don't need more members added to the main group", I could very well put myself in that group because I love the 13 original ~~colonies~~ members and, okay, well I could pretend to hate the idea of new members...but I don't really. I mean, mostly because I don't even think it's a faint possibility.

Anyway, I'll stick with fangirling all 15 of them. Or 14. ONE DAY, YESUNG. :| I WILL LEARN TO FANGIRL YOU. I'll put it on my list of things to do.

s-sorry, I got hopelessly distracted pointing and laughing at the song.

Don't hate! It's an amazingly gay, happy, sexist, and catchy song. :O

Not hating! Just laughing!

Ah, I second all that questions. I'm fairly new to this fandom and all this ~~drama~~ stuff is confusing me :|

I think those people who claimed that they're ONLY13 but still supporting SJM is that they like SJM (including Zhoumi and Henry), but they're against the idea of adding Zhoumi and Henry into 'Super Junior' (the main group).

Then I don't know why we're even arguing, or why there's this Epic Divide, because I'm totally okay with not adding ZM or Henry to the original 13-member group. :| But I still love them in SJM for they are cute.

I HAVE NO IDEA. It's early and I'm always confused.

Actually what confuses me most is why people can't just be quiet and get over it. In the grand scheme of things and life and everything, only13, anti-only13, whatever else there is, does not matter. why all the troubles and confusion, peeps :(

SERIOUSLY. What does it matter? It's not like we can change anything by whatever we support. And it's not like it really matters that much what happens. As long as I get my gay and my happy...fandom's just fandom, y'know? It may be selfish, but I just want my happy from it. Though I hope the boys are happy, but I really have no control over that.

You know, I am in complete and utter agreement. Fandom is awesome. Fandom is fun, fandom provides those funtimes when Life Sucks. But its still only fandom, and it should and is supposed to be and should forever and always be that fun that its supposed to be! That's all (well, besides the guys themselves) that matters to me.

I mean, when you really think about it, in 10, 20+ years, is anyone really going to care? No. So why bother with all the fuss. It escapes my logical, apathetic mind, it really does!

This breaks my brain.

Maybe I should stop trying to understand the mind of fandom. D:

I am only13 but I don't support sjm. The point of only13 is really, just being disliking new additions to the original 13.

Actually I don't know for sure, but yes- I will support SJM if henry and zhoumi is not inside and only the five of the original 13 is inside. But that does not neccessarily mean, I am anti them too?

I only dislike new additions to the original 13.

And what do you mean by teukhae and everyone being only13 and supporting sjm? They don't have a choice, do they. They can't disobey the company, do they?

Thanks for giving me your opinion - this is what I thought Only13 meant - not supporting SJM. Or something to that effect. But ZM and Henry aren't (at least right now, and I doubt in the future will be) part of the original 13, and I think a lot of SJM-supporters both acknowledge and accept that fact. So I'm not sure why fandom at large is still arguing. I'm just confused. Can't we just enjoy the happy and the gay?

As for TeukHae, etc., I don't think being Only13 for them means being anti-ZM/Henry (not that it means that for you, either, but for some people it does) - they're Only13 in that they don't want anyone else added to the original 13 either, since it's their group, their family. And maybe they don't have a choice in supporting SJM, but I'm pretty sure they want to be successful in China (they've been talking about spreading the fanbase for years) and they like both ZM and Henry.

I'm Only 13.

I don't hate Zhoumi and Henry.~~I'm sure that if Zhoumi got his own group/went solo, I'd fangirl him lots~~. SJM makes me kinda sad so I tend to avoid their stuff but I really can't say that I hate Zhoumi and Henry. Don't really know how that works but it does. :|

...So it made sense in my head. Not so much when I write it down. Um. Yeah. :|

Then I'm confused. Not over your stance but over fandom in general. WHY ARE WE STILL ARGUING? If there's no hate, just let people be? I hope no one's trying to forcefeed you SJM (though admittedly sometimes it seems to be everywhere) but-- No, really, I'm just confused. No one said we all have to like the same thing, and it's not like we can actually change what SM is doing so...

Can't we all just be friends and let the wank go? (Okay, fine, though loling at the stupid - on both sides - provided some amusement.)

And I match your Bum!crotch with one of my own. :D

I have no idea! I actually get along with some pro-Ms. In the beginning they kept trying to guilt trip me "Look how happy Hannie is!" and kept on throwing SJM stuff at me. But they noticed I got emo and stopped. ^ ^;

Yes we can but some people are stubborn. (Yes. I agree. XD)

Bum!crotch. Mm. Yummy.♥ ;D

(Not to be a douche, but Hannie being so happy about SJM is one of the reasons I adore him/SJM. I'm not going to force you to like SJM though.)

Ehhh wank. I prefer it when it brings me lulz, not when it confuses me like this. Back to the funny, please!

It's okay. I know he's happy. It does makes me feel guilty for not being happy for him but... ^ ^;;

On a totally different note: I APPROVE OF YOUR ICON :Db

otoki makes lovely icons.♥

who cares?? lol...

clearly i'm apathetic about fangirl politics

That's probably the right attitude to take. Fangirl politics make no sense anyway.

completely

i dont think i could ever fully commit myself fully to fangirl any group/band/singer/whathaveyou besides...leehom lol but i've liked him for...*thinks* 8 years now...

Wow, 8 years is a long time. I wonder if I've liked anything/anyone for 8 years. ::contemplates::

I will talk about my opinions when I do my meme, since Helena gave me "ONLY13". xD

OKAY FINE.

:D

I'M BORED. =(

DO YOUR MEME.

I just want the main SJ unit to remain thirteen members. I guess ONLY13 has the extremist image.

I <3 Zhoumi. He's talented. Period. I don't know how people can say that he's ugly or has no talent, because singing-wise, he has way more talent and practices way harder than Kibum (no offense to the pretty sexy boy), and to some levels I think he's even better than Hankyung or any other extremely valued SJ boys. I think SJM would be a lot worse without him, since the boy basically penned lyrics for half the tracks in the album. I feel bad that I hope he never joins Super Junior, but if he debuts alone later or joins another subunit, I'll be totally supporting him.

And that's not to say that I'll be immature (*cough Korean fangirls*) and start disliking him for no reason if he and Henry do join. It'll be an SM decision probably supported by SJ, and I respect that. I just hope that decision is never made, and it doesn't look like SM is wanting to actually add the two members to the main group and have all of them release albums together.

This is how I think about the issue. I call myself ONLY13 yet pro-SJM and pro-Zhoumi & Henry (that boy needs to work on some new violin solos, is it me or does all of them sound pretty much the same? And I've played viola for four years =_=), but that's just to my own definition of the terms.

I wish none of these terminologies never even came into place, and we could just be dignified fangirls talking to each other about the boys we love.

I think I've pretty much said everything I can say to all the above comments. D: But I pretty much agree with you - I'm not all for ZM or Henry joining Super Junior, it makes me slightly uncomfortable to think about, but I don't ever think about it because I don't think it will ever happen. Plus I adore them where they are in SJM being happy and gay.

See, your stance, I agree with. And I think so do the boys in SJ. So I miss why there is still wank over this. It's stupid and we can't change anything, whichever way it goes, and fandom should be a happy place. :(

So I will forget about this stupid drama and go back to complaining about why Bravely Going Forward hasn't been aired yet. I NEED MY BOYS IN SUMO SUITS.

I'm confused about the whole thing as well. Reading everyone's posts and your responses make me even more confused. :| I'm still ignoring the whole wank amongst the fans anyway.

Good idea! Fandom should be a happy place full of lols and gayness. Who needs drama?

fandom, i think you're confusing yourself

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