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Firstly: Happiest of birthdays to my best

suxing and

forochel and (because it's likely I won't post again tomorrow)

catskilt. To say nothing yet of the 26th, 27th, and 28th... So many May babies!

Secondly: So I was reading some people's thoughts on RPF/RPS and got kind of curious about the flist.

Do you guys have any strong feelings for or against RPF? I know a lot of you guys enjoy it/read it/write it considering that a lot of you I met, uh, in the kpop fandom. So.

I can enjoy almost anything in fiction because I have this huuuge mental barrier between reality and fiction so gay brotherly (apocalyptic) incest? I'm so there. Korean boy band members macking on each other? Sign me up. RL married actors ~falling in love with each other~? No problemo.

Why? Because I like to read what I like to read and I know that it's fiction, very much so, and at most these are merely original characters with the same faces and names as real people. They're characters, even if they're based on real people. (Do you want to read My Thoughts on ~~Yaoi~~ KiHae? Of course you do, heh.) I very much do not believe that Jared and Jensen are in any way shape or form gay for each other, or that Eunhyuk and Donghae are actually anything beyond good friends who like to play up fanservice (well, mostly Donghae with a sort of reluctant Eunhyuk tagging along). ...not that I ship EunHae romantically anyway, uh.

But I know some people don't have the same kind mental barrier and are uncomfortable with RPF/RPS. Which is totally fine. Personal squicks, I get them, as long as no one is trying to judge people who enjoy RPF as somehow sick or somehow invading the privacy of real people. That makes me sad. That makes me kind of annoyed, actually. 'Cause, hey, it's all harmless, in good fun, not exactly meant to be portraying True Facts, etc. Hell, it doesn't even count as fanfiction (legally) - no infringement on copyright, y'all! Writing RPF can get you sued for defamation though, so, uh, it's harmless as long as you don't go shoving your fic in the faces of the people it's about. That is kind of monumentally stupid, rude, and awkward-making. And other negative adjectives. :|

But these are just my thoughts and opinions on RPF. I feel like I've encountered a scary number of fans who, um, really think QMi (KyuMin, EunHae, KangTeuk, JaeHo, insert-kpop-pairing-of-choice) is real or something? And all those J2 tinhatters omgggg make it stop. Yes, fuck yes, they are close and they have a good relationship but that doesn't mean that they are actually in love/fucking up the butt/what-have-you. Not that it would be a problem if they were but let's not make assumptions about their love lives when RL evidence indicates otherwise and that they are nothing but really good friends, yeah? I'm all for writing about it, but when you really start believing it... Then I am slightly concerned, frightened, and distressed. And will be backing away slowly.

In other news, I have been reading a fuckton of gay brotherly (apocalyptic) incest lately. This pimp post, I'm drafting it, forreals. In between epic amounts of reading (and packing and moving and sweating buckets, god this weather). Man, I love summer.

(It doesn't count as talking about kpop if I'm just talking about the meta fandom! ...or so I tell myself. Moratorium still in effect: not broken but slightly...bent?)

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RPF/RPS is superduper wrong. You're wrong wrong wrong. Sick in the head. Also, Donghae can't be in love with Hyukjae, because, you see, he and I are MFEO. We're going to get married. Wait and see.

:P Okay, I can't even keep a straight face while typing that. You know how I feel on it. My question for you is this: J2? pfft. Where's the love for Dean/Castiel? C'mon, Mei. It'd be cool to be in the same fandom again. Same non-incestuous pairing...c'mon. ^o^

I'M WORKING ON IT BUT IT IS HARD. There is so much Wincest fic out there...so much good Wincest fic. ;__;! We will have to find another pairing to ship alsdkgj THERE IS ALWAYS KIRK/SPOCK?

ALSO IF YOU REALLY MARRIED DONGHAE CAN I BE A BRIDESMAID PLEASE? :DDDDD

...I kinda think I might be breaking up with ST:XI soon. Or treating it the way I treat HP fandom...read voraciously for a week, and ignore for like two years, then go back and read like crazy for a week. So, while yes, we will be fans of the same pairing...I'm not sure that that is going to work out so well.

Dude, if I marry Donghae, you'd be freakin' maid of honor if that would prevent you from killing me in my sleep.

D: Has STXI been that bad? I'm not crazy into the fandom right now - it's like HP with me too! I will read fic for it occasionally and fangirl about it when it comes up, but I'm not actively lurking in it like I am with SPN right now, haha.

But never fear, we will find another fandom/pairing to cherish together. ;~;

I'm going to quit this hypothetical now since you don't even want to marry Donghae. WHAT IS THE POINT.

Idk like my only real argument against RPF is that I want to be semi-famous one day and I would be SUPER BOTHERED if someone wrote fic about me. And I don't like where people answer that with "blah blah they signed up to be famous so who cares" because to me it sounds a lot like "they were asking for it" :/

BUT this is only my personal opinion and I am sure that plenty of famous people wouldn't be bothered by it. (If only because they've seen REAL fanatics?)

It's not bad, it's just that I'm kinda ST:XI'd out. Possibly because of all the Reboot fic I've podficced. I need a break from them. Come to the dark side...which is just blasphemous and not incestuous. :D

Mostly, the point is that it's kinda funny. Also, would be seriously ironic if like three years down the line, it actually happened. And we could look back on this conversation and laugh hysterically. <3

That is totally legit! But I think there is some merit to the "they're famous" argument - not that they were asking for it but the fact that, well, that's what comes with fame. It's even recognized in the law - parodies/criticism/whatever of famous people up to a certain point are protected from defamation suits because, well, they are famous. But that gets into the whole "how famous is famous" debate.

Anyway! I guess my position is that it could definitely make people uncomfortable but most of the time they don't know about it? I guess they knnow about it in an abstract sense (i.e., that it exists) but as long as no one's shoving actual fic in their faces or they're not searching for specific fic on the internet, then it's mostly harmless. And that is why people who try to alert the subject of fic that fic exists about them HERE READ THIS ONE I WROTE OMG really squick/anger me.

Ahh yeah that would make sense. I'm waiting to get SPN-ed out considering how much I'm overloading on it right now - but I guess I'll take a break with real books or watching How I Met Your Mother or something. :D

...if you get married to Donghae three years down the road, our lives will be entirely surreal and I will kill to be your maid of honor. :3 SO GET GOING TO KOREA NOW, BB.

Idk, I see where you are coming from, but at the same time, famous people still have a right to privacy, and while it may not violate that factually (as long as you're not staring in their bedroom window and writing down what you see...), when it comes to writing about someone's (real or imagined) sex life, I still think it can be more invasive than following someone around with a camera.

Maybe it is the knowing about it that really bothers me, though, as I can't get worked up over teenagers writing self-insert BSB fic. I don't know. I mean, while there is a huge difference between fanfic and professional work, publishing something on the internet is still publishing in the sense it becomes widespread dissemination, as opposed to passing a story to two or three friends, or even making a limited-run fanzine.

You wouldn't get all SPN-ed out if you were to switch pairings...I'm sure the stories are v. different. ^o~

I vow that if I get married to Lee Donghae, three years down the road--or any years down the road--I will ask Mei to be my maid of honor. I promise forever and always. :P Look at that, there's proof, now, that you can hold me to.

hahaha omg I so totally wrote BSB fic way back when - not self-insert but omg the gratuitous Mary Sues and their godawful names.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinion about RPF! It is just interesting to see where people stand on it. Though (if you follow the link I linked up there) there have been some explanations/questions about why RPF is so explicitly linked to sex of the characters in question and if it would be less icky if it were, idk, gen or humor fic. Of course the disclaimer being, hey, not all RPF is about sex. But, of course, a lot is. And so on... So anyway, interesting perspectives for me to think about, although I already know where I stand on the issue.

Uh-huh, I see what you're trying to do. I will consider it! ...after I read all these fics I currently have tabs open for. ;)

hahahaha okay, I'll hold you to it, with this comment as proof.

...Oh, sweet Jesus, so...this time next year? :/

Now, how many people, do you think, have read this and think I'm absolutely insane? :3

hahahaha, I think you showed me your old BSB fic site before! xD

Oh I am definitely not trying to convince you either xD I do think it would be less disconcerting if it's gen or humor fic, but I can't imagine people having a problem with those most of the time, which is why I guess the argument immediately leaps to RPF being linked to sex. Gen or humor is pretty much like cameos or satire in regular media, but if I follow that analogy, RPF kinda reminds me of um. Lookalike porn.

OK WOW WELL I AM DONE BEING SLIGHTLY OFFENSIVE ALL OVER YOUR LJ. T______T

LOVE IT.

I mean RPS. Not the gay brotherly incestuous love @_@ that part really gives me the creeps. (I NEED A LINE OK. I DRAW IT AT GAY INCEST AND HYUK'S FACE.)

But really, RPS is like my best friend. I mean, first off it's harmless fun, second off it's great writing (if you choose carefully) where you also get a (lets face it, pretty fucking voyeuristic-like) little "peak" into the would be lives of your favorite celebrities/stars. Of course, it's very important to, as you mentioned, draw the distinction between "your boys fandomly" and as they really are in their real lives as people.

Fandomly: J2 is as good as married to each other as far as I'm concerned and I am just as happy as any other Pinto fangirl to squeal ridiculously about how ZQ and Cpine clearly love each other b/c Cpine came to NYC JUST TO SEE ZQ; but I'm also able to step back and divorce that from my mind, and recognize that Danneel makes Jensen ridiculous happy and Jared, for his own special reasons, feels the same about Gen; and ZQ is probably in a relationship with Jesse Tyler Ferguson (or some other hot man meat) and CPine has horrible but authentically hetero taste in women.

Honestly, if I were a "celebrity" I would fucking LOVE it if people wrote fic about me (hi is my vanity showing?) because it would be really funny to see how they see me, and outside of grotesquely plotting my death - I'd be pretty ok with most of what is thrown at stars/celeb couples. But then, I also don't give a fuck about privacy (I mean if you can dig up dirt on me that I won't just blatantly tell you, lol go for it).

hahahaha I like how we always qualify our reaction to Jared and Gen's relationship. Oh man, I do hope they're ridiculously happy even if fangirls are a little "..." about it. We've got nothing to do with their relationship anyway, so I can love Sandy better all I want. :3

You have lines! That's cool. I apparently lost mine ages ago, since it's all fiction to me. ;) But at least we'll always have J2? And Pinto! And many other things, so~ ♥

CPine has horrible but authentically hetero taste in women.

ROFL. Sad but true.

Well now Gossip Girl is on TV and I'm distracted. I have no idea what's going on though. @_@ I only ever watched S1 episode 1 and now it's S3 episode 1. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? WHAT'S HAPPENING?

So this summer, I should watch GG and HIMYM! :D

I think you're insane but I will subscribe to your insanity if it gets me to your wedding, fufufu.

I wouldn't know, I never watched it. *shrugs*

...dude, did you just Fuji laugh at me? o.O

Quintessential Fuji face:

^__^

I think I managed to save some of the fics - it was on Geocities so I think now all is lost to the internet, probably for the better.

It's cool! /DRINKS TEA, WATCHES GOSSIP GIRL WITH SOME CONFUSION

I will admit there was a brief and frightening period of my life where I sincerely believed Ohmiya were actually in love with each other. Um. Haha!?? Anyway I love RPS but I do have a limit-- I can't read anything about someone who is in a serious relationship. Engaged, dating long term, married, whatever. If they're in a relationship, I just can't read it. WHICH LIMITS ME FROM SO MANY SHIPS I'D LOVE TO SEE. But it's a squick! I just feel like it's disrespectful, idk.

O.O

Aww, no J2 then. But I get this! I mean, it doesn't stop me because apparently I have no lines or morals when it comes to fiction, sigh, but I totally understand and respect that viewpoint. I'd like to think all these RL relationships go happily too. ♥ Wishing them (all of them, whoever they are and whoever they're with, haha) the best~

OMG SHOULD I WATCH GG WITH YOU??

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