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★mei ([personal profile] meitachi) wrote2007-07-21 11:22 am

OH HARRY POTTER, YOU MAKE ME :D

I started reading Harry Potter & the Deathly Hallows at 1:21am and finished at 7:39am. So it took me 6 hours and 18 minutes overall. And now I can finally--FINALLY--talk all about it in its spoilery glory.

Thank you, flist, for making me wait.


If forced to sum up my thoughts on DH in the most succint bullet-point list I could, the result would look something like this:

1. This is my favorite HP book.
2. Vindication for Snape's loyalties!
3. This book? Was absolutely and totally made for me by the Malfoys.
(4. The epilogue is a thing of laughter, ridicule, and here-is-Mei-ignoring-it.)

Thankfully, I get to talk about it as long as I want. ::glee:: So shall we go in a vague chronological order? I grabbed my notebook as soon as I finished the book to jot down all the thoughts that were flooding my mind.


1. This is my favorite HP book.
It is and I'm so excited about and I'm so glad I remained spoiler-free and didn't read the leak. It was so much better holding the book in my hands and flipping pages and--! You know I still love fic. I will continue to love fic. But this is is so much more than I ever thought I'd see us get from canon; there's a lot of what I expected, of course, relationship-wise, but there are a lot of other things that make this book my favorite that I will get to later.

I don't care what you say or if you like it or not. I love this book best. I had fun reading it. It was like a combination of fic (oh those awesome, awesome novella-length post-HBP-fic with those crazy, clever fan theories integrated!) and canon, but even better because it was all canon. \o/

I mean, obviously, I do have qualms about the book. I've yet to read any perferct book. But we'll get to that.

I don't think you're a literary genius, JKR, and I can't say I'm your biggest fan. But thank you for writing this series and this book in particular. I'm proud to be an HP fan.

2. Things that made me grin in happiness and cheer silently.
Bill and Fleur's wedding was lovely and something I desperately wanted to see, because it's a romance I fully support and adore, and it lent a bit of happiness to the otherwise war-tense world. I loved the descriptions of decorations and everyone's jitters, and I love the Delacours. I wished more detail had been given to the wedding ceremony itself--I distinctly recall [livejournal.com profile] mistful's Bill/Fleur wedding scene in Quality of Mercy and it made me cry. JKR's version was lovely but not nearly as touching.

The Viktor Krum cameo! Perhaps it was fandom, or perhaps it was the fourth movie featuring the Durmstrang boys and their large phallic sticks, but I've been extremely fond of him lately. (I never disliked him in GoF either, but now I'm all squeeful and petting.) I love his indignation about being an international Quidditch star and wanting hot girls! Eee!

The infiltration of the Ministry of Magic with the Polyjuice made me think fondly of Ocean's 11. Oh con jobs! The Trio is not as skilled, but I love them anyway.

Generally, Trio love. I love love love how important Ron and Hermione are to Harry and he only spent one distinct sentence feeling "left out" that Ron and Hermione were falling for each other. It doesn't bear on how much they love you, Harry. I really have come to appreciate that. :)

On that note, when Ron stormed off and left Harry and Hermione alone in the forest, I really had a moment of "oh my God, is JKR actually going to give us H/Hr? 'Cause she could actually do it now." and then the original H/Hr fangirl of me wanted it desperately (and not just for the ensuing wank, which would be hilarious). Part of me always knew she wouldn't, though, because of her, you know "anvil-sized hints". What. Well, it was a nice thought, if quickly disproved. I do like the R/Hr you know. I think they're cute, if slightly dysfunctional.

And the Horcrux search! It really was like reading another fic with another guess at how things would work out. Fan theories played out in the multiple Potters at the beginning (I should be able to recall the exact fic where I saw that but, alas, my memory fails me), Harry being the 7th Horcrux, etc. Fans, they are so smart! Okay, well, some of them. The fantwits at the midnight release made me wish I could go to an "HP for Adults" party or something. But I'll save that story for the Snape section.

Oh, I Love Neville. I'm thrilled he become so active and took up leadership, and found Harry & co, and that he drew the sword of Gryffindor in the end! It came so, so close to Harry dying and Neville saving the world! Close enough to make me very :D :D :D.

Also, seeing Cho again actually made me strangely pleased, perhaps because she was not crying and went to stand by Michael Corner. Ginny's jealousy was not appreciated though. Does she have a chest monster too? Dean being on the run was a nice touch. And just other characters being mentioned. They exist! Hurrah!

What else made me happy? PERCY. Oh Percy, Percy, Percy. I know it is fic that has warmed me up to you, but when he came back and apologized? I nearly burst into tears right then. God, Percy. Oh Weasley family. I do love you wholly and completely and utterly with one glaring exception but er, anyway. And the way Fred responded to him, and how he joked and then how he cried alksdjl. OH PERCY.

And then. Then there were the Malfoys. But they get their own section.

3. Character depth is a plus!
I am glad Dudley got more depth! Even it was as surprising to us as it was to Harry (and even if it felt a bit like a last-ditch effort to make the Dursleys more than 2D characters), I'm glad about Dudley "thanking" Harry for saving his life. It made me all wibbly. You are not all awful! Plus the further character development that Petunia got, glancing back at Harry with something that might have been regret in another lifetime, and the backstory of her jealousy in Snape's memories.

It was also very nice to see JKR mention Hermione's parents in slightly more detail than passing. Clearly, they still played a tiny, nearly infinitesimal role in the book, but at least she remembered them. I'm a bit peeved that she could have Hermione dismiss them so easily when Ron is all about family and Harry is all about family (or emoing about the lack thereof) and even the Malfoys (♥!!) get to care about family, but because Hermione's parents are Muggle and therefore cannot be involved in all the epic, magical war, they're written out of the book like they're not as important to Hermione as everyone else's family is to them. So that's an either/or thing for me. I'm glad they were mentioned and that Hermione thought ahead that much, but the point of fact is, she pretty much never thinks about them again. Less great, JKR. Too handy.

I did like the depth given to Dumbledore, however. I like it more and more as I reflect on the book. Since rereading bits of OotP and watching the movie, I couldn't help but grouch at him, calling him unflattering things in my mind for being so crafty and unhelpful and causing Harry all sorts of unneeded grief. You are not God, Dumbledore; you have no need to Work In Mysterious Ways™. His backstory gave him much more humanity and depth and I highly approve! I like that he struggled with power. I like that he was not always wise and kind and full of charity. I like that he was a genius and battled with arrogance, that he sought an equal mind and friend in Grindelwald, that he made mistakes with his family even though he loved them.

So much more human, Dumbledore, and much more likeable. :) More interesting than the perpetually sage old wizard who somehow knows everything, too.

And, god, my mind could not stop shouting "DUMBLEDORE/GRINDELWALD SLASH" every time Harry found more info on the two of them. Hahaha. Oh fandom is going to have a ball. New OTP!

I don't know if this counts as character depth, but maybe it reflects how Harry's grown since OotP and HBP--there were only one or two scenes where I actually wanted to hit Harry over the head for his stubborn, blind self-righteousness. (It didn't help that JKR made him right most of the time, either.) But it was a large improvement on previous books, where my ire at him was far greater and far more frequent. Oh, Harry, all grown up now and riding horses naked.

4. Vindication for Snape!
I confess: last night was the first time I actually went to a midnight-release. The seventh book madness swept me along and I was happy to go and mingle and whatnot. (Pictures later!) [livejournal.com profile] efio_47 and I mocked the orange/purple theme and deplored the "Snape is Friend/Foe" debate because, honestly. Who still thinks Snape is evil?

Apparently, quite a number of people, as I concluded from the orange stickers of "Snape will betray" I saw.

WELL, HAH, YOU LOSE.

I am glad I hang out with the smart end of fandom. :) With my H/D shipping tendencies and the Slytherin sympathies that immediately invokes, I don't think I've encountered a single H/D fic in which Snape was actually Evil, per se. (He did have his own agenda in some fics, but neither did he betray Dumbledore's faith.) And with the convincing arguments in those fics and in other meta, my mind had honestly just accepted as canon Snape's loyalties to Dumbledore. How could anyone with half a brain think otherwise? (No offense. This is just my bias and massive fic-reading showing.)

When we were in line to get our books, we heard two fantwits (middle school or early high school, I'd guess) whispering behind us about our "Trust Snape" stickers (stuck to our backs). "How can they think he's good? That's so lame. He's so evil. I mean, come on, he's in Slytherin and their symbol is, duh, the snake. Obvious symbolism, duh."

Yes, yes, your logic strikes me down where I stand. I hope they are shocked down to their snide little Gryffindor bones when they read DH and realize that Snape was, in fact, loyal to the end, killing Dumbledore on his own wishes.

And that was pivotal to the plot, thank you very much.

This book convinced me to become a Snape fangirl as previous books couldn't. (I've always liked movie!Snape though. But I don't know if that counts, because Alan Rickman is So Awesome.) I knew he would die and that makes me all wretched inside, but I am so, so happy to have canon proof that he was in fact good and loyal and all that shizznit, 'cause oh vicious vicious vindication.

I mean, er.

I got all sad over the unrequited Snape/Lily. Oh Snape. You know, JKR is not doing a great job of making me love James or Lily, really. They are too glorified as paragons of virtue, of great and noble heroes, etc, when I haven't seen much humanity that makes them likeable. Oh, yes, they're human in Hogwarts, but thoroughly dislikable.

I like Sirius and Remus though, but probably I am biased as a pupppyshipper. I loved the MWPP era best for their fics.

That segues nicely into my next topic.

5. Things that made me less than thrilled.
Remus/Tonks wedding. WTF. How fast do you need their relationship to progress, JKR? And then suddenly a kid? I don't believe I can express the full extent of my loathing for the cavalier way you've treated this offhand het ship you've thrown at us to keep the Sirius/Remus down. And after all that fast-paced relationship you've thrown at us, with some additional Remus Lupin brand of Werewolf Angst™, you go and kill them off.

You don't even give them proper killed-in-battle deaths: you just show their bodies next to Fred's. I hate that.

And you know what I hate even more?

FRED. FRED WEASLEY OH JEEZUS CHRIST PLEASE ERASE THIS PART.

This killed me the worst. The way he died, laughing like Sirius, welcoming Percy back-- It still makes me tear up. Fred. You were my favorite Weasley! (I think. I'm fond of Bill & Charlie, too, but again, that may be fic. Fred is probably a canon favorite.) And I can't imagine what George is going to do without you. It ripped my heart to shreds. No no NO.

I will always hate you for that JKR. I even sort of understand why you did it, but I will still hate you for it. Any other Weasley, JKR, any other. (Well, obviously, except for George. I hate splitting twins up alskjfldk.)

This is also an example of the loose ends JKR leaves at the end of the book and ignores completely in the epilogue (which is another discussion, lolz). What happened with Griphook and the sword of Gryffindor? How do people recover after Voldemort's death? What happens to the Ministry with no Minister of Magic? What about Hogwarts, with no Headmaster? What happens to house unity? How do the Weasleys mourn Fred? This is the kind of stuff I wanted to see in the epilogue. The important stuff.

Let's see, what else kind of ticked me off? Oh, Harry being the 7th Horcrux. She explained it fairly logically, I guess, and she's set it up to be that way since the beginning, but--eh. Maybe I just find it tired and cliché after so may fan theories of the same ilk, but I was disappointed at her lack of originality. I suppose it's not her fault her fans are so creative.

Harry's constant obsession with Ginny. It can be explained away by JKR wanting her to be important enough to him to justify the epilogue (god! that thing), but I didn't buy it. How can he feel more for her (and Hagrid and Dobby apparently) than for Ron or Hermione? He's willing to change track from Voldemort to Bellatrix and Ginny's battle because, omg, damsel hot girl in distress! And I really don't think JKR did very well in selling us/me onto the pairing this book. They hardly spent any time together and while Harry did obsess about her occasionally, I don't see Ginny as any more of a likable or useful character than she was. The whole scene with Mrs. Weasley telling her she was not old enough to fight? God, she's sixteen and she's still a liability.

I know, I know, I'm biased. But I really saw more Harry/Luna interaction that I liked than Harry/Ginny. Luna is helpful and supportive (being a distraction so he can slip on his Invisibility Cloak and slip away), whereas Ginny is...not so much.

But we'll move on because I know I sound like a whiny Ginny-bashing shipper, which I'm not trying to be; I really just don't like how JKR uses her character. I'm sure others can say it much better than I.

I think Dobby Apparating to save Harry & co., then Disapparating, then Dying, was very Epic and Convenient and Trite As Hell. I was not terribly moved at his death, sorry, and found Harry's overwhelming rush of guilt and sadness and other emotions a bit extreme. I felt no such sympathy; it was too rushed and clichéd an affair.

And, lastly, the line that incensed me when I read it was Pansy Parkinson standing up and shouting that Harry Potter was here, why didn't they turn him over to Voldemort?

Still biased against the fucking Slytherins, Jo? It would appear so. There is no such thing as the house unity you made a sorry attempt to promote in previous books, is there?

::bitchy bitch!::

6. Redemption for the Slytherins, and why I love this book beyond all measure.
But then I got over it because I realized how much slack JKR had actually given Slytherins in this book, and how she put so many of them on the road to "redemption" from the horrible reputations she herself had given them.

Slughorn, for example, was fighting along Hogwarts staff against Voldemort. There's a start.

Kreacher, for another example! Strangely endearing and got a laugh out of me at the end when he led the Hogwarts house-elves in rebellion.

And Regulus Arcturus Black. :) Good to know fandom is really as smart as I thought it was.

Snape, of course, because no one can denounce his sheer awesomeness (and bravery? oh let me talk about it some more in the epilogue section).

But, oh god, my absolutely favorite part of the book, no holds barred? Is the scene where Narcissa bends down to check if Harry's dead, asks him if Draco is still alive and in the castle, and upon receiving confirmation, lies to Voldemort and says Harry is indeed dead.

Oh be still my beating heart.

That's a big fucking giant right there for you. All the H/D, Slytherin-sympathetic fic that made Narcissa a likable character? I thought it was only fic. But now she's canon. The pureblood, coldhearted, ice-blonde and beautiful woman who was if not a Death Eater herself, at least wife and sister to ones--she will sacrifice it all for her son. She loves him beyond all measure. She is a mother, no less terrified for her son than Lily was for Harry.

And Lucius--I had keep reminding myself that it was not AU for him to be alive, after all those fics that kept killing him off--he is not the cold bastard we once imagined him to be. I really thought he'd die in this book, for Draco's failure, or something--anything. I am shocked to see him not only survive but to survive in a unit of family, caring for his son so much that he would beg Voldemort, that he would race through Hogwarts in the midst of the epic battle being waged and not even bother fighting, searching desperately for Draco.

My love for the Malfoys just shot up by, like, 500%.

And Draco, Draco. I love you, Draco. I love that you're terrified out of your wits, that you do care for Crabbe and Goyle like we suspected all along, that you don't want to die, that part of you does trust Harry fucking Potter to save the world.

(And the shipper in me will fangirl long and hard over Harry using Draco's wand, and Draco clinging to Harry on the broom, and Harry saving Draco's life twice without even thinking about it, and Draco being the Elder Wand's master before Harry. I could faint in happiness. You will never be able to make me un-ship this pairing, oh god. ♥♥♥)

I really have no more words. HP7, you've really exceeded my expectations in this area. I was just fervently hoping that neither Draco (okay, or Harry) would die.

Dude, Slytherin love for fuckin' life.

7. Overall plot and pacing things...and That Thing To Which We Shall Refer Distasteflly As The Epilogue
I thought the Horcruxes were...conveniently easy to dispose of, what with the Gryffindor sword and Ron & Hermione managing to off the Hufflepuff cup completely without Harry (or any screentime!) and Crabbe's Fiendfyre.

Well, so goes the plot. I can't say I was expecting anything really great, and I'm satisfied.

Don't like the chapter "King's Cross" at all. I was wondering as I read how things would be clarified at the end now that Dumbledore was dead, since he was always the one that explained everything Harry didn't know throughout the book at the end. Conveniently, JKR gives us this little "afterlife" world. Apparently the only who can know anything of any importance in the wizarding world remains Dumbledore, even dead. Okay, then. Whatever.

I found the "Avada Kedavra" vs "Expelliarmus" bit at the end a little cheesy, but just a little. I suspected JKR was leading up to that ever since the beginning of the book, where Expelliarmus was labeled Harry's "signature" move and he defended it by saying if he'd used the Killing Curse, he would be the same as Voldemort. Clearly, it is their differences that matter.

And now, as for the Epilogue That Wasn't, suffice to say I'm going to be ignoring it completely.

That Harry and Ginny got married after a teenage romance makes me Laugh Out Loud because how many people do you know who've actually done that? And stayed married? It's a cute idea, but really now. They didn't really know each other at all. They can like each other and be mutually attracted all they want, but think of that chapter in [livejournal.com profile] mistful's Quality of Mercy again where Harry knew nothing about Ginny's friends or likes. How true, how true. JKR hasn't proven otherwise.

Ron/Hermione is more believable because of all the time they've spent together and all the time they spent finally getting together--because we've seen the progression, I buy it. I don't know if they'll last, but I'd wager on them with greater certainty than on H/G.

And naming the kids James, Albus, and Lily? Oh the cheez. It pains me.

There were two bright spots about the Epilogue That Wasn't, though. :) One, "Albus Severus." Oh Harry. Oh Snape. I love it and it made me tear up even though part of me totally doesn't buy it. I'd need a more sincere, in depth reaction from Harry on discovering that someone he'd hated with such passion could turn out to be good, and in love with his mom. He'd always loathed Snape as a professor, but he was impassioned with fury after Snape killed Dumbledore...I know the reveal of Snape's loyalties probably took a lot of the wind from his sails but, really, 180 turnaround without showing us any of that, JKR? I disapprove.

Two--the Harry/Draco nod exchange. Draco has a child named Scorpius!! I could die! I don't care that he's married. You know, since I'm ignoring the entire epilogue. But eeeee. God I love them so hard.

ETA: AS/S (i.e., Albus Severus/Scorpius) is probably the Greatest Pairing Name Ever and I ship it. ::full of lolz::
ETA 2: [livejournal.com profile] the_ass_ship HAHAHA FUCK YES. And how cute is this? I love upon!



Okay, so this is like a three-page essay. ::hides face:: TL;DR much?

I'M SORRY. I LOVED THIS BOOK, OKAY?

I'm just, um, going to leave you to it. Anyone who's read already, PLEASE FANGIRL WITH ME. PLEASE. Or discuss. Whatever. And anyone who's still reading/yet to read, please come fangirl with me after! ♥

[identity profile] pastel-colours.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
AHH, I pre-ordered the book on Amazon, so I'm not getting it for another week or so D: I'm having a hard time not reading your post on Deathly Hallows. Part of me wants to find out how the series ends, and part of me doesn't want to be spoilered... Haha, I might as well just avoid the internet for the next week xD

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't read it, don't read it! Seriously, you will enjoy it far more without spoilers, I think. I did. :)

But come back after you've read it? ♥

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[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
ALSKJFDLKLSKJF WTF

. Seriously. Though I think I need food and a nap, haha.

[identity profile] primeling.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Totally re-writing my comment. Hyper today.

I loved your review and agreed with a lot, particularly on Hedwig and the Malfoy front. Much about the Ginny issue, too, and the Luna interaction.

Come join a discussion (http://community.livejournal.com/harrydraco/3789758.html) on HD fandom post-7? You've got some witty thoughts!

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha, thank you for the new link! I was confused at first. But the hyperness is totally justified!

::goes::

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[identity profile] 0euphrosyne0.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
lucius did nt die...harry draco slash borderline....and amazin snape wat more cud ne one want...well i know wat i did nt want!!!!! harry ginny....that was yuck...i always imagine harry with someone powerful...umm draco....sry....but i like fandom more neday than canon...cause.....this book was sooooooo cliche..but nice....ignore the epilogue....then its fab.....and luc cissa god wat cud nt i do for them.....luc really loves draco and cissa is amazin...malfoys have hearts too....and broomsticks....harry and draco all i cud think abt was the multiple fanfics where they do unspeakable yet very much readable and enjoyble stuff on the broom with wands...ahem ahem...and for tiny second i soooooo thot v wud have h/d.......u know wat i really thot jkr reads fanfics...there r sooo many parts which r sooo like fics i have read.....
my verdict...jkr has deteriorated as a writer or we have better writers on fandom...much better.....
book is good....apart from epilogue...


ok question.....who did draco marry??
and........scorpius???i mean after dragon then a scorpion.....ooooooooohhhhhhh i love animal names!!!!

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[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think JKR's an amazing writer, per se, but I don't think she's deteriorated as an author either. I think she's grown from her past books and if a lot of this book seems cliche, it's 'cause we have awesome, awesome ficcers in the fandom. Which I love.

There are only so many places you can go with events considering the clues and foreshadowing dropped by JKR in her previous books. Ficcers are very good at picking those up and writing out what turns out to be canon. We have such a smart fandom! I'm more impressed with our fic-writers than disappointed with JKR. Even if the book read like a fic, I'm still happy because it's still canon. So we have canon amazing Malfoys and great H/D interaction! *\o/*

Draco married some dark-haired woman who remained nameless. But, god, his son's name makes me LAUGH. I love it.

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[identity profile] bayb43.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yay, I've been finished since this morning!

Ok, H/D on brooms/Harry totally swooping in and saving Draco and gripping is so yay! As far as I'm concerned, the epilogue basically does not exist because really, could it possibly be more cliched or just plain unnecessary? But Draco's alive and well and that means yay H/D forever!

Remus/Tonks was way rushed. Three pages in and I was like, sorry, did you say married? And then 600 or so pages that changed to sorry, but did you say dead?

Neville going all badass on everyone? Totally support! Though it would have been nice to see him actually heading a rebellion or whatever rather than just reappearing to ultimatebadass!Neville without having seen him get there.

I found alot of it read like fanfiction, actually. Almost everything in the book I felt like I'd already read. I was like, yes yes, we already knew Snape is love and probably carried the torch for Lily (who I found less likeable in this...really, what was so special about this chick?) and Harry as the 7th horcrux and so on and so forth.

Ok, so although I'd like to just totally discredit the epilogue, I'm going to say I totally wouldn't mind reading children bring H/D together fic with like, Albus (and really, harry, we know you loved dumbledore and whatnot but who the hell actually names their kid albus?? the names really did read like bad fanfic) and Scorpius (wtf is that name, btw?). Ginny can just...be divorced and crazy or something. Or maybe dead. I always liked Ginny as the cool, understanding friend to Harry when he runs off for pretty, pointy, blond-haired gits. Except it looks like were that really the case, that part would probably be Luna's now.

And omg, Fred! No!!!!!! I hate the death of Weasley twins. I can't say I didn't see it coming, but no! Talk about a stab in the gut.

And the Malfoys? Oh, how I love the Malfoys and the fact that loving!Lucius and Narcissa are now 100% canon and not just random evil doers.

All in all, though, I'd say I liked it. Although when it comes down to it, I prefer Hogwarts-based stories. I missed that castle for most of the book. But mostly, yay!

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Though it would have been nice to see him actually heading a rebellion or whatever rather than just reappearing to ultimatebadass!Neville without having seen him get there.

I quite agree! Oh Neville, you do not get enough screentime. It's a sad thing, but at least he's grown up so much since Book 1! You know, it really does read like fic (except with a different main pairing than one I'd usually choose to read, obviously). But it was fun, so go JKR? I'm actually not surprised that whatever she did, fandom got there first. We're huge and full of smart writers. :D

Ahhh, now I really want AS/S fic where Ginny is dead of tragic accident, Draco is divorced or not, but the children's relationship forces Harry and Draco to interact and become friends and then maybe something more. Which will be Supremely Awkward for everyone, and thus tons of fun!

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[identity profile] thyme-hawthorne.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I am ok with the King Cross moment. Dumbledore made me sad in that. While she isn't a literary genius, she's definitely really really clever and the whole thing was so well planned from the first book leading to this one.

Ron's kids get meaningless names like Hugo and Rose (what the hell) while Harry's kids just throw me off because it just is like, MUST FIT AS MANY REFERENCES TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE DIED AS POSSIBLE.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone pointed out somewhere else that, gee, it's all about Harry and all his dead peoples. What if Ginny wanted to name a kid after HER DEAD BROTHER, HI?

But then we resolved that George would probably have that right, of any of the Weasleys. And then I was sad all over again. :(

Well, she has her plot holes. (Gryffindor sword with Griphook, suddenly summoned by Neville? And other things, I'm sure, throughout the series.) But it's a fun series and I like it and she did manage to make her books ties together with The Foreshadowing and such. So yay!
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[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! I will continue laughing at Scorpius' name though. (But if I'm not turned off by Draco, I suppose I really don't have any ground to stand on...)

I'm okay if JKR never writes another HP book (she's probably tired of them too now, haha). I just want to see a happy, thriving fandom that can write as well or better than she can any day! :D And it wouldn't hurt to throw a little H/D in those fics too. It could slip in so easily...

[identity profile] house-illrepute.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
PS> the MULTIPLE HARRYs plot thing was from SAM THE STORYTELLER'S Cartographer's Craft, which, honestly, is a much more preferable Book 7 in my eyes than this HP & The Deathly MARIX 3 REVELATIONS.

sorry, it stunk.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I'm pretty sure there was another one out there. I keep thinking [livejournal.com profile] mistful or [livejournal.com profile] furiosity, though in all honesty I don't think it was either of them...

Nah, we don't have to share the same opinion on DH. There's lots of fic I like better, too, but for me it's kind of special because they can't claim their fic events to be canon. But Draco-clinging-to-Harry-on-broomstick and awesome-Malfoy-parents can be! (Maybe I'm easily pleased? Heh.)

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[identity profile] mshmsh.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the readers were left to assume that the Gryffindor Sword fell out of the Sorting Hat after Voldemort put it on Neville's head and lit it on fire. lol. And I agree I am a much bigger fan of Harry/Luna than Harry/Ginny.

lol Albus Severus. lol Scorpius. lol Draco's receding hairline.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
alksjfld they have poitions for poor Draco's receding hairline. Honestly!

Luna > Ginny, any day.

::mashes keyboardz & stuff:: HI I R FAIL. How are you doing?

[identity profile] duowolf.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you about the Epilogue it was really annoying but the rest of the book was really enjoyable.

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I think it was JKR's way of saying: THEY'RE OLD AND MARRIED AND HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, THE END. NO MORE HP BOOKS, LEAVE ME ALONE.

But, alas, she does not know fandom and its tenacious grasp, hee.

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_unashamed/ 2007-07-21 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree on just about all of the above.

But mostly:

OMG I FUCKING LOVE THE MALFOYS!!!

I mean, I loved Draco and Lucius before. I like bad boys. But GOD, they just about killed me. And Harry saving Draco not once, but TWICE??? Love. Draco having a son? Named Scorpius? LOVE.

LOVELOVELOVE.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
YES YES YES! The Malfoys deserve so much love! I probably love Lucius and Narcissa's humanization (like they were non-human before? LOL) probably even more than the H/D hints. I adore them loving their son so much.

And SCORPIUS. Gay, gay little Scorpius. I cannot wait for the deluge of AS/S fics. And more H/D. I want more H/D too. :D

[identity profile] kasugai-gummie.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I tried reading the essay. Really did--but not knowing, or caring very much (I am ashamed to have gone "wait, Fred? Which Weaseley was he again?" though) just made me skip through entire sections of your very thorough essay.

So, (but you don't have to), what's the casualty list?

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, I didn't even expect you to read this at all. (I know very well you an Artemis Fowl > HP girl.)

Casuality list (originally here (http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1096138.html?thread=155747274#t155747274)):

* Burbage (Muggle Studies teacher) dies on pg. 12
* Hedwig dies on pg. 56
* Mad-Eye dies on pg. 78
* Scrimgeour dies on pg. 159
* Wormtail dies on pg. 471
* Dobby dies on pg. 476
* Snape dies on pg. 658
* Fred Weasley dies on pg. 637
* Harry gets @#%$ up by Voldemort on pg. 704
* Comes back to life on pg. 724
* Nagini gets beheaded by Neville Longbottom on page 733.
* Tonks, Lupin, and Colin Creevy have their deaths confirmed on pg. 743

19 years after the events in the book:

* Ron has married Hermione, their two children are named Rose and Hugo
* Harry has married Ginny, their three children are named Lily, James, and Albus Severus.
* Draco Malfoy has a son named Scorpius


The FINAL LINE OF THE BOOK is:

* "The scar had not pained Harry for nineteen years. All was well."

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[identity profile] syringe-bunny.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG I hated the epilogue, it pissed me off so bad. Other than that I liked the book and I agree with you on quiet a few things. lol Draco/Harry for EVER!!!!!

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
I think everyone in HP fandom collectively hated the epilogue. Bad move, JKR!

Though I did forgive it for existing for the two above-mentioned reasons. :) Albus Severus (who is going to get mocked to hell and back for that name), and AS/S!
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[identity profile] tenshicaluvkame.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
God! that almost God me but i stopped myself in time..
i didnt read it but what the hell..
i just wanted to say.... i didnt succumbed to sin!!

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
No, no, no! Avoid the spoilers! AVOID THEM TIL POST-DH. You'll be happier that way. :D

[identity profile] harryprongslet.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm squeeing and jumping up and down in my seat right now after reading your review.
I don't care what canon says. H/D is the truth.
xD
Any time anything suspicious happened I was like "OMG IT'S GONNA BE DRACO!"...
And it never was.
-.-
But hey, give us Gryffindors some credit.
I knew Snape wasn't evil.
I also had this theory about how Ginny was a horcrux...
But that was probably more wishful thinking than anything.

Was it just me, or does "Kendra Dumbledore" come off as a name that you'd see in a really bad Harry/OC or Draco/OC fic? I picked up the book, saw the name, and had to stop reading for about ten minutes.
And yes, I totally ship AS/S.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, no, I only disparage against the snide self-righteous Gryffindors who think All Slytherins Are Evil For They Are Slytherins And That Is The Holy Truth, Amen. I really have no words for them. (A few swift smacks, on the other hand...)

I loved the H/D hints in this book! So much for trying to kill off all your slash pairings by tying up the characters with canon het marriages and kids. Try again, JKR! Or not, we like it this way. ♥

Kendra Dumbledore does sound...wrong and Mary Sue or self-insert-ish. Perhaps JKR had a friend named Kendra?

"I'd tap that AS/S." ::LAFF & LOVE::

[identity profile] often-adamanta.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
hi, you don't even know me, but THANK YOU for writing this!

i just finished the book and no one on my flist has posted anything, but i need to squee with someone, and yes! *fangirls with you like whoa*

i love harry. and the malfoys. and ron and hermione. and luna and neville. for every reason you mentioned above. there are going to be so many good harry/draco fics from this, i cannot wait!

and i will probably never read the epilogue again. 'that thing' is the perfect name for it! it was so stupid and not at all the end that the book and series deserved. that thing should not be in the book at all. *eyes scissors*

but on the whole, i loved this book, very much. yay! :D

*fangirls even more*

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, if you don't know me, I'm even more flattered that you took the time to read all my TL;DR thoughts! Hahah, my flist has more of an obligation, you might say...;D

No, I was so excited about the book that I just went on and on. I really had no idea it was going to turn out so long, but I'm so happy that people agree with me. I love this book! I can't wait for the shiny fic that will be born of it! (And please, please, some wonderful AUs where Fred never died and/or the epilogue never happened.)

I have yet to find a single person who likes the epilogue. Way to go, JKR? What were you thinking?

[identity profile] peachpastiche.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
You have pretty much summed up all of my feelings except with slightly more Ginny hate. xD Not that I love Ginny, but you hate her because she is a 2D waste of character and I... fail to care because she is a 2D waste of character. xD

[identity profile] peachpastiche.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, insert slightly more squealing about SNAPE OMG.

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[identity profile] spae.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I really enjoyed reading your rant - and the comments that arose from it.

I am so glad that a large portion of fandom are raising their banners and refusing to budge on the issue of H/G ...

I mean really, JK - did you think that you would STOP us with that epilogue? I imagined it would be set after Harry's death, with eulogies and epitaphs telling us all about his stifling monogomous het relationship with the girl who tried to make herself be what she imagined Harry wanted - with a different character each year so far, she obviously grew up to be a consummate actress ... all I can say is, poor Harry - or I would say that, if I weren't going to ignore the whole thing excepting that inspired choice of a name for Draco's son ... LMAO

I'm afraid I am sneaking out occasionally to play with the AS/S ship

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I actually never expected to have so much to say on DH. I just started scribbling thoughts down on a notebook as soon I finished the book so I wouldn't lose them, then came back a few hours later and tried to shape them into coherent thoughts. So I'm actually really pleased to know other people agree with me, heh.

Oh please, like something like that poorly written epilogue was going to stop the fans? Sirius dying in OotP certainly didn't stop the Remus/Sirius shippers--and I doubt Remus' death or his marriage to Tonks will. H/D fans are just as tenacious--and now we have the added bonus of awesome, canon H/D interaction!

And the occasional wonderful AS/S fic. Oh god, I want fic with silmultaneous AS/S & H/D so badly. It'd be wonderful.

[identity profile] cwazy-weiven.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I've just spent the lat 8 hours reading the book; trying to get through the first few chapter with the words starting to jumble together, started to love it by the fourth chapter; thought the last battle was the most awesome since they invented cellphones without antennas; LOVED Kreacher; felt absolutely scandalized that J.K Rolwing KILLED 5 PEOPLE AND HEDWIG AND DOBBY!! KILLED FRED!! KILLED HEDWIG!! and hated the ending with the burning passion of a thousand suns!

It was like, some badly written fanfiction that I normally hit the back button on with a scoff and a snort. To say that reading it was uncomfortable and random would be a serious understatement :/

But through all of it, thought this essay, I can safely say this:


IN YOUR FACES ABUSER!LUCIUS FICCERS!



[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I feel awful that I can't share many people's outrage at JKR killing Hedwig and Dobby. I saw someone explain away the former death by arguing that Hedwig would've been dead 19 years later, anyway, and JKR thought that if she had to kill the owl, she might as well make it a memorable (if terrible) one for Harry. As for the latter...I was sad, certainly, but it seemed too much like Convenient Plot Device for me to be properly empathetic. And I was unhappy that Dobby's death impacted Harry emotionally more so than any of the other deaths. (FREEEED. ;____; WHY. WHY JKR?)

It's safe to say DH would never be able to compared to my favorite fics, but as canon, I like it plenty well. I confess I never had any high literary expectations from her and I'm more than pleased with what we managed to get in terms of, well, the Malfoys and Dumbledore's backstory, etc.

BUT YES. LUCIUS LOVE. MALFOY LOVE. Spaaarkles!

[identity profile] imp-quillet.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I found here via harrydraco - thank so much for your review! I just finished the book and was really craving for some discussion! Or squeeing, really.
I agree with you on several parts, particularly on the epilogue; I also really wonder why JKR had decided to stick to the old house system when she could so easily have made some essential changes and shown that some of the traditions at Hogwarts didn't in the end benefit the students or the Wizarding World in general. I also would have liked to see one or two Slytherin students join the Hogwarts side in the last battle (I don't care if it would had been cheesy :).

And Snape completely broke my heart. It was sad and lovely that it wasn't only Lily's love for Harry which Voldemort failed to understand but Snape's love for Lily, which also eventually brought Voldemort's downfall! Oh Snape! I wish there was a portrait of him in the Headmaster's office so that Harry could make his peace with him.

Anyway, it's very late and I'm pretty exhausted after my Potter trip, but let me just say that I really, really loved this book and am overall very happy about how things turned out! And Dudley shaking Harry's hand, aww!

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Discussion is welcome. Squeeing moreso! I could hardly contain my glee when I finished the book. Despite the epilogue, I was sailing on cloud nine, because of the excitement of the final battle, of Harry using Draco's wand, of everything coming to a close, and it was such an uplifting end. Though I alternatiely mock the epilogue and ignore it (sometimes both), it really does leave me aching for something more substantial as to the resolutions of the climax, which JKR managed to neatly avoid completely.

I also think she totally forgot the "prejudice" theme she was building up with all the Pureblood vs. Mudblood bit. Nothing was resolved and Ron, nineteen years later, seems as judgmental as he was, even if joking. Harry seems to have had a change of heart, but what good can that do in the face of centuries of history and House disparity? His own sons still think getting into Slytherin is an awful thing; sciety clearly helped shape those conceptions. :/ (One of the better explanations as to why the Epilogue That Wasn't fails so utterly is here (http://users.livejournal.com/_branch_/603470.html). It's such a pity, too, because I love the rest of the book a lot.)

Very much agree on your final thoughts! Hope you recover soundly from the Potter trip! :D

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/star-light-/ 2007-07-21 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Some teenage loves do last a lifetime, ive seen it.

Harry and her wont, but still :) it happens.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
That is true! And they make me smile if they do. I don't refute it; I'm merely highly skeptical of the chances and likelihood of Harry/Ginny lasting so long.

I have real reasons too, but they bore me for I do not like to linger long on H/G. I'm biased; that helps too. ;)

[identity profile] loika.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
FRED, OH GOD FRED. Out of all of the deaths, that was the one that shook me up the most. And the fact that we don't find out what happened to George in that epilogue? :/

Yeah, didn't get Harry/Ginny. Never did, never will.

[identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Same here. I will never get over that one. And I die a little on the inside thinking of George without his Fred. No more Gred and Forge. :( laskjfld GOD IT HURTS TO THINK ABOUT.

I want fic. Either to cry my eyes out or for it be AU and make everything better.

H/G could've been cute, I think, if JKR had actually taken the time to develop Ginny as a character instead of suddenly making her popular and pretty and funny and a good Quidditch player and--everything Harry ever wanted, apparently. For The Rest Of His Life.

Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical.
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[identity profile] lyfeisoverrated.livejournal.com 2007-07-21 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
LOOOOOOOVE you for doing this. I am totally on for the AS/S ship!!!! And you basically said like everything I wanted to say!!! I was totally thinking it was resembling fic for a lot of it. It was almost too crazy. Btw does anyone else think that harry was an UTTER IDIOT for saying Voldemort's name AFTER Ron told him about the Trace??????!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? grrr I was like "stupid!"

[identity profile] isoke24.livejournal.com 2007-07-22 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
You aren't the only one! I was so pissed he completely disregarded the warning. I wanted to strangle him.

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